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		<title>Search Monkey Event Standard Object</title>
		<link>http://cantorva.com/blog/2009/07/17/search-monkey-event-standard-object/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I located the Search Monkey event standard object. Yahoo doing this makes it the de-facto standard markup, though its a shame it differs at the namespace level from their previous recommendation. The difference of two characters makes FIL incompatible!</p> <p>Of course, my SM plugin &#8211; which is a more basic version of the same thing, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I located the Search Monkey <a href="http://developer.search.yahoo.com/help/objects/event" target="_blank">event standard object</a>. Yahoo doing this makes it the de-facto standard markup, though its a shame it differs at the namespace level from their previous recommendation. The difference of two characters makes FIL incompatible!</p>
<p>Of course, my <a href="http://cantorva.com/blog/about/generic-event-info/">SM plugin</a> &#8211; which is a more basic version of the same thing, is now completely redundant. I&#8217;m actually quite pleased by that, it did seem like Mission Impossible.</p>
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		<title>Updated Generic Event Info presentation application</title>
		<link>http://cantorva.com/blog/2009/06/03/updated-generic-event-info-presentation-application/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last night I was able to sucessfully test the Generic Event Information Search Monkey presentation application on upcoming, eventful and FeelItLive.com. I&#8217;ve pushed this version to the Gallery.</p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I was able to sucessfully test the <a href="http://gallery.search.yahoo.com/application?smid=WCi.s" target="_blank">Generic Event Information Search Monkey presentation application</a> on upcoming, eventful and <a href="http://feelitlive.com" target="_blank">FeelItLive.com</a>. I&#8217;ve pushed this version to the Gallery.</p>
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		<title>Moving forward on Search Monkey</title>
		<link>http://cantorva.com/blog/2009/05/11/moving-forward-on-search-monkey/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[News]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've moved forward marginally with my Search Monkey presentation app, and backwards a little as well. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve moved forward marginally with my Search Monkey presentation app, and backwards a little as well.</p>
<p>The backward step was that some of the DataRSS content in the Yahoo Index appears to have vanished, this broke the examples in the <a href="http://cantorva.com/blog/2009/04/03/vcal-rdfa-and-search-monkey/" target="_blank">previous post</a> and on <a href="http://gallery.search.yahoo.com/application?smid=WCi.s" target="_blank">the Search Monkey site</a>. I don&#8217;t think there is a lot a lowly web site operator like me can do to recover that, but I hope coverage will continue to be at least patchy.  I look forward to the day they just make the RDF available directly, I can see this being much more scalable for them and certainly easier for me.</p>
<p>At the same time I have made a little progress with adding hCalendar support. The level of adoption for hCalendar makes this compelling, though the lack of precision does mean its fundamentally restricted.  I will not, for example, be able to enhance results for pages that mention more than one event, even if one event is clearly (to a human) the primary topic of the page, choosing meaningful graphics is also circuitous.</p>
<p>On the topic of graphics, it is often not possible to depict an event that has not yet occurred. You might choose a graphic for purely aesthetic reasons, use an inconsistent rationale that is difficult to capture, or may abstract away the reasoning into another software module making it unavailable to the UI (as in my case).  This scenario seems to require a specific predicate which I will coin and document as I get around to it. A microformats equivalent is a non-starter as I do not have the inclination to make official representations to standards bodies for work of speculative value (see below).</p>
<p>In total then, the roadmap will be something like this (in order of priority):</p>
<ol>
<li>Basic support for hCalendar (actually tested on <a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2488827/" target="_blank">upcoming</a>), with simple safeguards for the ambiguous cases.</li>
<li>Support for RDFa enhanced pages mentioning multiple events, using foaf:primaryTopic to disambiguate.</li>
<li>Support for cases where the event itself can be previewed as a commercial proposition without requiring excess detail in the data, using the new predicate unless I can find one.</li>
<li>Support for event ontology actor and factor and associated foaf:depiction triples such that a factor or actor can be reliably depicted in the result.</li>
<li>Support for the organiser and logo <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar" target="_blank">hCalendar</a> and <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard" target="_blank">hCard</a> properties. This is useless to me as the interesting entity for music events is almost never the organiser and never the attendees [ unless you are on a date <img src='http://cantorva.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ], but its feasible so deserves a modicum of attention. I don&#8217;t think photo is worth supporting as that would immediately break on conferences.</li>
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<p>I&#8217;m realistic about the importance of this project for making money as there is no predictable way to ensure large scale adoption of the plugin and the difference in click though rates is also unpredictable. As a result, I&#8217;ll be moving this forward primarily as a hackspace project rather than a commercial one, albeit commercially motivated. Doing it on hack evenings is a simple way to box off an amount of time.</p>
<p>Progress will be slow for other reasons, I have to locate implementations of the relevent vocabularies, trawl the Yahoo Index for fully crawled examples and possibly establish some test cases. This will all take time and much of it will be out of my control.</p>
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		<title>VCal RDFa and Search Monkey</title>
		<link>http://cantorva.com/blog/2009/04/03/vcal-rdfa-and-search-monkey/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Feel It Live]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've done what I've called a "Generic Event Information" enhanced search result format for Yahoo. It's a little thing that you can choose to add to your Yahoo search experience. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned home from the <a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2173930/" target="_blank">3rd London hack evening</a>, which is a highly productive get together of, well, nerds in Islington. With a nod to the <a href="http://www.brepettis.com/blog/2009/3/3/the-cult-of-done-manifesto.html" target="_blank">done manifesto</a>, I&#8217;ve continued on into the night and done what I&#8217;ve called a<a href="http://gallery.search.yahoo.com/application?smid=WCi.s" target="_blank"> &#8220;Generic Event Information&#8221; enhanced search result format</a> for Yahoo. It&#8217;s a little thing that you can choose to <a href="http://gallery.search.yahoo.com/application?smid=WCi.s" target="_blank">add to your Yahoo</a> search experience.</p>
<p>One of the challenges with this work is that Yahoo has not given these widgets a particularly easy name to throw around, but here&#8217;s a picture to help explain things:</p>
<p><a href="http://cantorva.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/generic-event-info-ultravox-example.png"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-31" title="generic event info Ultravox example" src="http://cantorva.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/generic-event-info-ultravox-example.png" alt="generic event info Ultravox example" width="690" height="115" /></a></p>
<p>The text appears in a <a href="http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=ultravox+roundhouse+london+live" target="_blank">search result for Ultravox in London at the Roundhouse</a> and as you can see it includes the usual snippet of text (or the event summary, if its longer) plus some very simple name value pairs &#8211; &#8220;Location&#8221; and &#8220;Starts&#8221;, which is altered to &#8220;Started&#8221; for events that have already started.</p>
<p>The idea is to answer the basic <em>when </em>and <em>where </em>questions common to events and also to allow users to quickly scan through search results and exclude events that they cannot attend and focus on those that they can attend, which is obviously those that they aren&#8217;t already missing! Therefore the &#8220;Starts&#8221; vs &#8220;Started&#8221; thing.</p>
<h2>&#8220;Generic&#8221;</h2>
<p>I can&#8217;t see a single person outside of the RDFa fan-club using this plugin unless it supports a wide variety of different sites and subject areas. There is no advantage to me in putting out something that only works for FeelItLive.com, yet its only FeelItLive.com that I&#8217;m aware of that is publishing VCal RDFa and Yahoo do not allow wildcards. I want people to use it, because I want them to focus their attention on my search results.</p>
<p>Chicken, meet Egg.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m doing two things:</p>
<ul>
<li>Labelling the thing generic &#8211; there is no point even mentioning FIL in the promotional blurb. It can only confuse matters.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Inviting anyone and everyone to attach a comment to this post letting me know where they have published VCal RDFa. If they do that, I&#8217;ll do my best to support as many sites as Yahoo will allow.</li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;ll also extend the same invitation to users of similar vocabularies <strong>(Edit: </strong>iCal, Event ontology, event microformats etc), though Vcal is the one recommended by Yahoo so I&#8217;ll have to see if anything else is supported.</p>
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